What is the difference between pi and phi

I also thought about the irony that he was also born in March It was definitely fate for him to receive this name. I have always wondered if Phi in nature would occur outside of our own planet, or is it a force that occurs due to earth gravitational pull, orbit. The rings of Saturn are reasonably close to a phi proportion to the planet itself. It has been found in quantum solid state matter and perhaps even time. I found it, Mark! I know all about the the Fibinacci Sequence but can anyone define how it relates to numerology if it does.

Thanks ……….. Yes, there are many unknowns. It seems though that we can start with a couple of logical possibilities of how creation has occurred. I lile the interpretation following The theory of Morphic Resonance by Dr. Rupert Sheldrake Ph. Describes how the Golden Ratio comes in an Infinite Variety beyond the mere quadratic 1. The Silver Ratio is similar as it can be geometrically implied. More on this latter distinction, later….

Then we ahaaa moment, which we can seesee. That leads to speaksee and for some who are compelled to be impaled to teachsee. Ok, I know you like it better all cleaned up. There is nothing else. Hi everyone! If it is possible who can be prove by picture or sth like that please Thanks in advance!

No one who really understands the topic would claim that phi is the central part of all things in the universe. It is, however, a number with some very unique properties, and it appears in a number of surprising places. There is something deeper about Phi and pi, nobody told it yet. It happens that this location is just where the force that is responsible by replication, or reproduction of things in the system, begins to reproduce the left face of the spherical formula, building the right face.

Since the reproduction results into two equal copies, it produces de bilateral symmetry. This formula was found when I was making comparative anatomy between living and non-living system. Extracting the internal energy-circuity of all natural systems I observed that it was resulting all times the same pattern.

Big surprise was when founding that the formula is the template behind the building blocks of galaxies and the DNA, the fundamental unit of information. Now we will understand Phi. This formula built all natural systems and then, we found it encoded into the general light wave resulting from all seven radiations in the electromagnetic spectrum.

Here I found why there is the Fibonacci sequence. When the light wave propagates creating the seven layers, each new layer is longer than the anterior, just 0,, longer. So, each next layer will be the size of the anterior, which is the unit 1, plus Since that each layer has its specific size, frequency and vibration, we can see how the natural forces applies different functions, dynamics, to organisms, like the different sizes and functions of the different fingers in a hand.

I am discovering lots of other things now, about Phi, registering it as articles in my website. This site has over pages devoted to the golden ratio, so this page is just an introductory index of topics.

If you click on the Mathematics link on this page it will take you to the information you mentioned. The number Phi is the mathematical representation of the natural force responsibly by all reproductive processes and events in Nature from stars systems to human bodies.

Every time everywhere this force is present, and when Nature organizes matter into systems, if the systems has the tendency to self-recycling it is this force that does the job. The most common presence of phi is at spirals. Why is there phi in spirals? Because a living spiral has the tendency to self-expansion, and for doing it needs to reproduce the last circular wave into a new wave.

Who help grabbing the shape, constitution, etc. RNA was not a complete and working system, but, when the force of phi acted upon it, the RNA was fixed as left face and the left face was reproduced as right face.

Phi is force that came and go, it does not belongs to systems, it is temporary, responsible by cyclic processes. Then, cyclic menstruation, lunar cycles, etc. DNA grows by making and adding new building blocks. So, the force comes again maybe with help from RNA-uracil and reproduces the last building block. Nobody never told or published the suggestions above, so, how I arrived to this conclusion? From atoms to galaxies to cells to human bodies to brains: all are copies of a unique template system, universal, which we represent as a simple software diagram, it is at my website.

The flow running inside is represented by parts particles in relation to space and arrows waves, in relation to time. About Phi I discovered it in the formula when measuring the scales of the circuit, then, there was a systemic function located at a point that resulted into 1,… Studying the function and grasping all traits, I arrived to Phi definition above.

But, take care: I am not the owner of thru, I have merely a new theory, which is under testing, so, I am repeating that it is not a scientific theory, but a philosophical one. You must have yours conclusions. A few thoughts to add to this. Most spirals in nature are equiangular spirals, meaning they expand at a constant rate. This property, however, does not mean that they have anything to do with phi. A golden spiral based on phi is a very unique example of an equiangular spiral.

It is a number, a very unique number, but still a number. We use the formula as this optimal state as a template for comparison with all another natural systems, because this method reveals where a system is not perfect, has a problem, etc. Then, the optimal system is totally complete when has seven systemic parts, each one performs a different function. All functions has a precise location in the systemic circuit and we found the number 1. This number remember phi in Math, so, curious, I went looking for what and when applies in real things and considering that the at the universal formula this number is exactly upon the function of reproduction.

This function produces bi-lateral symetry when reproducing the left face into a right face, the left strand of RNA into a right strand creating DNA, etc. Bi lateral symetry is the secret of beauty in Nature qhich is merelly an effect of a function, or a natural force, that is coming since the Big Bang building systems. Clearly all of this is perfected in billions of years, and all based on rules and laws that governs this universe.

Evolution of life on earth is the best example. How it started and how it is still evolving to something more, it tries, it learns and updates the code for next generation. No one can imagine a higher being because we are so limited and insignificant! So please stop. Instead try to live, survive and advance based on your intelligence being good is essential for survival for humans and earth.

If you follow these fundamental rules the world becomes a much better place. Hello RR. It just explains changes in already living creatures. And why do the laws that govern the universe exist as they do, and why are they so precisely tuned to support life? YOU say live by your own intelligence. There are deeper experiences. The short answer is that there is no way to use the golden ratio or the Fibonacci sequence for a surefire approach to gambling.

All gambling is based on chance with statistical probabilities, and the odds are calculated in advance to be in favor of the casino or lottery. I thought it was obvious to everyone by now that ,living in a reality that is so easily described using math and numbers, we are almost certainly living in a computer simulation. All the problems religion and science run in to when explaining our existence are effortlessly brushed aside if you view reality as a virtual construct.

Or God is a mathematician and understands it all bc he made it all. If we live in a program, who wrote the code? If we live in a program, how come we feel love and the best AI we got cannot. God is a mathematician bc he made it and mathematicians are blessed to get a minuscule insight to such understanding.

Despite modern interpretations, I believe we should be trying to be striving for accuracy, not convenience. Whether you wish it or not, there is a difference, so please can we begin to aim for correctness please?

In man made marvels, the Golden Ratio can be widely observed in the art and architecture. Euclid is the first one to use the number 0. Though its close relative Fibonacci Series was discovered in the year AD, its association with the golden ratio might be unexpected. Leonardo Da Vinci has used phi in many of his paintings including the most famous Mona Lisa. Not just him but many other renaissance artists. Though it is seen vividly in many art and architectural marvels, we are not quite sure that they thought about that.

Its appearance in and around us has led many writers to give that a key role in their books. Dan Brown is no exception to that. His novel The Da Vinci Code spins around this mysterious number phi. Though not everything he has mentioned in his book is true, the fact that the seeds in a sunflower, leaves around a stem are associated with the golden ratio is true.

And not for other animals too. In self reproduction appears the Golden ratio, but also several others appear which makes it nothing special. When you derive the characteristic equation for the self reproduction simulations, the roots are algebraic numbers. Still thinking about what lies common? Nothing I would say except the fact that they are both irrational decimals and play a significant role in their mysterious ways. Verse 1 Kings from the Bible says: He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high.

Pi Shrine at Exploratorium. Golden ratio is even used in photography for visual composition. The image is divided into nine section using 2 horizontal and vertical lines, known as Phi grid. The objects are then placed close to the intersection of lines.

Facebook Twitter Pinterest Linkedin. Pi and Phi can be also related through trigonometry through angles involving the pentagon that divides a circle in five sections. There is no reason why should be related to Pi or Phi, since it was only picked because it was divisible by so many factors 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 18, 20, 24, 30, 36, 40, 45, 60, 72, and And yet it is.

The relationship is related to the geometry of triangles which divide a circle into 5 parts. The pentagon is based on this geometry, and all its segments are in golden ratio proportion to the others.

If we as humans had decided that circles have degrees, then the number would be significant. Yes, is the 17th number of the fibonacci sequence. But is an arbitrary number in any other base. I could argue that written in base 12 , this no longer matters or holds true.

I think degrees in a circle is arbitrarily chosen but it is a judicious choice. Approximations is all there is because math does not depict reality and its foolish to think it does. So, this concept of 3. If anything it is 3. Right on! Saying that something IS the same thing as something similar is as irrational as pi itself. Over the floor is an Isosceles triangle with two equal heights and minimum perimeter: That gives two equal angles This topic is very interesting.

My background is engineering, not mathematics. Yet the combined representation of the relationships among pi, phi, and the fibonnaci series through fornula, geometric and numerical methods are both understandable and elegant. I believe this is novel and significant and presents fundamental insights that could lead to a new unifying paradigm relating mathematics and our world view.

This debate over the real value of pi is very interesting. That needs to be addressed with great detail and clarity in order for this claim to be accepted.

With more numbers and complicated formulas we can achieve more significant digits of accuracy, but that can be done with any set of two numbers. Not a good choice of words, I admit. Near-identity might have been better. Clearly not the case here. Says: Phi is the displacement between one 10th of a clockwise and counter clockwise rotation along the unit circle.

Pi must be the ratio of the radius of the smallest thing to its circumference: at the speed of light all things must be massless dots without any discernible properties. Which means that as one would decelerate there would be a relative region where the characteristics of an object were blurred before the ratio of pi were visible. But… If you do 3. When taking the square area of 4 and divide it by 3.

So there is an absolute relation between the following numbers: Reduced Pi 3. Hi Gary, on the ninth of this month June I came up with two approximations for the A. Venus is then. A gives the values as. All the best John Shanahan.